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Tim,

That is fascinating - I only wish I had known to talk to you about Bakhtin 
when I was trying to think this through myself.

I'm afraid the link you kindly gave gives me access denied - is there any 
chance you might email me, off list, the section of your thesis where you 
talk about Bakhtin =3F

Thanks

John




Dr John Bradley
Head of Inclusion Services
and Principal Educational Psychologist
Children & Young People's Services
Nottinghamshire County Council



Tim Deignan  
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.......hi John and Martin.....re Q and Bakhtin, there is a short section 
in my PhD thesis where I consider Q methodology in relation to Bakhtin's 
work on polyphony in literature. I draw an analogy with the approach of Q 
methodology in relation to the struggle between, and the representation 
of, different voices. The analogy is part of an argument I make in the 
thesis for a more polyphonic approach to the design of education systems 
and policies: 

Deignan, T. (2006) Transferable People: Reframing the Object in UK Post 
Compulsory Education and Training, 

PhD thesis, University of Manchester. Abstract available from:  at 
http://www.theses.com/idx/scripts/it.asp=3Fxml=3DF:\index\idx\docs\all\56\it=

00511678.htm&subfolder=3D/search

best wishes

Tim Deignan
Q user
West Yorkshire
England

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Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:03:53 +0100
From: M Hughes 
To: Q-METHOD@LISTSERV.KENT.EDU
Subject: Re: cool cars!

> Can't help with the Bakhtin John, but I think there is much to gain from 
a
> social constructionist perspective and would recommend Nightingale and
> Crombie's (1999) Social Constructionist Psychology: A Critical Analysis 
of
> Theory and Practice-lots of ideas from discursive psychology which, I 
think
> covers similar terrain.
> Martin
> 
> Quoting John Bradley :
> 
> > Our discussion of the cool wall, group sorts and supposed consensus 
made
> > me remember a time a few years ago when I tried to understand the work 
of
> > Bakhtin, who as I understand it, talked about the monologic =3F where a
> > single voice claims to speak for all, the dialogic, where we hear 
debating
> > voices and heteroglossia - the richness of different voices and
> > viewpoints. It seemed to me that Q was a technique to take us beyond 
the
> > monologic and dialogic to a better understanding of the heteroglossia. 
I
> > was limited in my access to Bakhtin by only finding one source in 
English.
> > Does anyone in the group know more about Bakhtin, or has anyone 
thought
> > about his ideas in relation to Q=3F
> > 
> > Holquist, M. (Ed) (1981). The dialogic imagination: four essays by M. 
M.
> > Bakhtin. (1934-1935) Austin: University of Texas Press.
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > Dr John Bradley
> > Head of Inclusion Services
> > and Principal Educational Psychologist
> > Children & Young People's Services
> > Nottinghamshire County Council
> > 
> > Helen Coombs wrote:
> > 
> > Not wishing to sound like I have some affinity with Jeremy Clarkson I
> > do want to respond to John about group Q sorts.  I teaching Q method
> > at Staffs uni to DClinPsy students and when I recently did some
> > teaching where I asked to trainees to take a position on the use of
> > restraint in services ie I am an OT and I think that adapting
> > drinking utensils is the least restrictive alternative with the
> > opposite end being most restrictive (... and so on across
> > professions) they said to me 'oh no  not another Q sort, every time
> > you teach us you get us to consider our position and place ourselves
> > as if we are a statement!'.  Interesting - I never realised (until
> > then) that I was quite so immersed in Q.  Like Clarkson I often found
> > myself wanting to say no, no, no that is the most restrictive, not
> > the least.  Unlike Clarkson I resisted the urge.
> > 
> > Helen
> > 
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Tim,



That is fascinating - I only wish I had kn=
own
to talk to you about Bakhtin when I was trying to think this through myself.=




I'm afraid the link you kindly gave gives
me access denied - is there any chance you might email me, off list, the
section of your thesis where you talk about Bakhtin =3F



Thanks



John









Dr John Bradley

Head of Inclusion Services

and Principal Educational Psychologist

Children & Young People's Services

Nottinghamshire County Council








Tim Deignan <timdeignan@=
RUNBOX.COM>


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.......hi John and Martin.....re Q and Bak=
htin,
there is a short section in my PhD thesis where I consider Q methodology
in relation to Bakhtin's work on polyphony in literature. I draw an analogy
with the approach of Q methodology in relation to the struggle between,
and the representation of, different voices. The analogy is part of an
argument I make in the thesis for a more polyphonic approach to the design
of education systems and policies: 



Deignan, T. (2006) Transferable People: Reframing the Object in UK Post
Compulsory Education and Training, 



PhD thesis, University of Manchester. Abstract available from:
  at 
http://www.theses.com/idx/scripts/it.asp=3Fxml=3DF:\index\idx\docs\all\56\it=


00511678.htm&subfolder=3D/search



best wishes



Tim Deignan

Q user

West Yorkshire

England



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Sent: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:03:53 +0100

From: M Hughes <M.J.Hughes  at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK>

To: Q-METHOD@LISTSERV.KENT.EDU

Subject: Re: cool cars!



> Can't help with the Bakhtin John, but I think there is much to gain
from a

> social constructionist perspective and would recommend Nightingale
and

> Crombie's (1999) Social Constructionist Psychology: A Critical Analysis=

of

> Theory and Practice-lots of ideas from discursive psychology which,
I think

> covers similar terrain.

> Martin

> 

> Quoting John Bradley <john.bradley@NOTTSCC.GOV.UK>:

> 

> > Our discussion of the cool wall, group sorts and supposed consensu=
s
made

> > me remember a time a few years ago when I tried to understand
the work of

> > Bakhtin, who as I understand it, talked about the monologic =3F
where a

> > single voice claims to speak for all, the dialogic, where we
hear debating

> > voices and heteroglossia - the richness of different voices and
> > viewpoints. It seemed to me that Q was a technique to take us
beyond the

> > monologic and dialogic to a better understanding of the heteroglos=
sia.
I

> > was limited in my access to Bakhtin by only finding one source
in English.

> > Does anyone in the group know more about Bakhtin, or has anyone
thought

> > about his ideas in relation to Q=3F

> > 

> > Holquist, M. (Ed) (1981). The dialogic imagination: four essays
by M. M.

> > Bakhtin. (1934-1935) Austin: University of Texas Press.

> > 

> > John

> > 

> > Dr John Bradley

> > Head of Inclusion Services

> > and Principal Educational Psychologist

> > Children & Young People's Services

> > Nottinghamshire County Council

> > 

> > Helen Coombs wrote:

> > 

> > Not wishing to sound like I have some affinity with Jeremy Clarkso=
n
I

> > do want to respond to John about group Q sorts.  I teaching
Q method

> > at Staffs uni to DClinPsy students and when I recently did some
> > teaching where I asked to trainees to take a position on the
use of

> > restraint in services ie I am an OT and I think that adapting

> > drinking utensils is the least restrictive alternative with the
> > opposite end being most restrictive (... and so on across

> > professions) they said to me 'oh no  not another Q sort,
every time

> > you teach us you get us to consider our position and place ourselv=
es

> > as if we are a statement!'.  Interesting - I never realised
(until

> > then) that I was quite so immersed in Q.  Like Clarkson
I often found

> > myself wanting to say no, no, no that is the most restrictive,
not

> > the least.  Unlike Clarkson I resisted the urge.

> > 

> > Helen

> > 

> > 

> > E-mails and any attachments from Nottinghamshire County Council
are

> > confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify=

the sender

> > immediately by replying to the e-mail, and then delete it without
making

> > copies or using it in any other way.

> > 

> > Although any attachments to the message will have been checked
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> > before transmission, you are urged to carry out your own virus
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> > opening attachments, since the County Council accepts no responsib=
ility
for

> > loss or damage caused by software viruses.

> > 

> > Senders and recipients of email should be aware that, under the
Data

> > Protection Act 1998 and the Freedom of Information Act 2000,
the contents may

> > have to be disclosed in response to a request.

> > 

> > Nottinghamshire County Council Legal Disclaimer

> > 

> > 

> 



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